Ancient Origins of the Jatars

After doing genetic testing it has been revealed that Jatars and their descendants can trace back their roots to a European. This original ancestor was white and this is so for all the descendants belonging to the R-M198 haplogroup. This haplogroup originated in Central Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, Eastern and Northern Europe. The parent haplogroup is R-M198 and the age of this haplogroup is 10,000 years.

(More technical information: The more precise predicted Haplogroup is R-M512. Haplogroup R originated in Central Asia. Most descendants belong to one of two major lineages. They are present at low frequencies across Central Asia, South Asia, and Europe.)

3000 years ago our ancestors were from the Kurgan culture. These people are believed to be the first speakers of the Indo-European language group. Descendants of these people (example, the Jatars) are found in Slavic populations (native to Central Europe, Eastern Europe, Southeastern Europe, Northeastern Europe, North Asia and Central Asia) in Europe, India, and Central and Western Asia.

This is the migratory map of the haplogroups taken from familytreedna.com (Please go to this link if you want to test your DNA):

The Jatars are an offshoot of the R1a haplogroup which is basically East European or Central Asian in origin.

Sure, if we go back far enough we are all from Africa, but the Jatars are the offspring of those who went northwards, settled in Central Asia or Eastern Europe or thereabouts and then travelled down into India a few thousand years ago.

The presence of this particular haplogroup (R1a)  is found more commonly in the YDNA (passed on through the male line) of Indians, and therefore it is believed that these people did not enter India as a migratory group but were invaders. They have a mention in the Rig Veda which was written thousands of years ago and are called “Aryans” if you believe that theory. There is no evidence of these people being in India beyond the last few thousand years and possibly have been present in India only for about 1000 years.

If we go beyond that, it is clear is that they lived on the Indo-Gangetic plains about 15,000 years ago, and were Indo-Scynthians. A significant number of people from the western side of the Indian sub-continent, ie Sindhis, Gujaratis and Punjabis also share this haplogroup (R1a). This haplogroup is more common amongst the Brahmins of India, even found to some extent amongst South Indian Brahmins, but it is not found in Deshastha Brahmins who were here long before them.

14 thoughts on “Ancient Origins of the Jatars

  1. Yes, I read about that, the Neanderthals you mean. I guess the full picture is not yet known and so far we are going with the theory that everyone originated in Africa. Even if they didn’t, what is clear is that we, the Jatars and the descendants of the Jatars, are from someone in Eastern Europe/Central Asia. Where this mul purush actually came from is an answer to which we will never fully know.

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  2. Sidhartha, My father Sudhir did the test. Both Ydna and mtdna tests. The Ydna results will apply to you too so there is no need for you to do it. And it is great that you are interested in the history of the Jatars. We need youngsters like you to take an interest!

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  3. All this geneological history is most interesting!
    . I would like to know more , for example…what is a ‘haplogroup’?

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  4. Hi Neelatai.
    Thank you for your comment. I too find this subject quite fascinating!
    Those in the same haplogroup share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation (a genetic marker). Haplogroups are assigned letters of the alphabet, and refinements consist of additional number and letter combinations, for example R1b1. Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups have different haplogroup designations. Haplogroups pertain to deep ancestral origins dating back thousands of years.
    Nita.

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    1. Dear Mr Vasant Shantaram Jathar. I have just emailed you on your email address. It will be wonderful if by you doing the dna test we can at last solve this riddle!

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  5. Dear Mr. Jathar.
    I have emailed you about this, and even received a reply from you, saying you were planning to go for this test. So am nor sure what your comment means.

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  6. Central Asian DNA is most common among Deshastha. The claim you make seems uncited here. We do not have Eurasian (R1a) but mostly have Central Asian in higher percentage than South Asian.

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    1. Not sure who you mean by “we”. I mean the Jatars whose dna has been tested by FTDNA. I don’t understand what you mean by “uncited” when a thorough DNA check has been done.

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      1. I mean his comments about Deshastha are surely uncited. I’ll like to see the source for the same. I’m not even commenting on DNA of Jatars.

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  7. Hi Ketan,
    I will try to find a source. Deshastha Brahmins are the pure brahmins, in the sense of being in India before anybody else. True sons of the soil. The others came afterwards and have their origin dna from central Asia and Europe. Also this is not a comparison of the Deshastha with South Asian (don’t know which country you mean) but Deshastha with other type of brahmins who were the outsiders.

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